Clint out of RSL!

clarette · 12-12-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bordelais7

- D-mid/Holding mid = Sequiera, I thought...

... who will likely be gone with his own national team for a significant portion of the early part of the season. Happy day.

ReAl's Gal · 12-12-2005, 04:53 PM

I am sad. All the players I was really attatched to are gone (I know, I know, MLS is not T-ball) I get why he was traded, but damnit, I liked his fire. After losing all these boys, we should have gotten more than a coffee table book for renewing our tickets. Like a "sorry your boyfriends were traded, have a massage on us" kind of thing. Boo boo boo! 😇

Thow · 12-12-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bordelais7

- Is Cunningham on the USMNT squad? I don't think he's anything close to a lock.
- D-mid/Holding mid = Sequiera, I thought...

Cunningham--fringe, national-teamer at best. Has sort of come back into contention for a spot on the USNMT because of the 2005 season, but his chance of making it to Germany are very remote.

Sequiera is a central defender who can also play as a holding mid. (And, as someone pointed, he's going to be away for much of the early season because of his duty with the Costa Rican team.

Dadof3 · 12-12-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

Clint is a guy with just phenomenal talent, but he certainly wasn't able to put the team on his back and carry them to the playoffs.

Clint is a guy who just USED to have phenominal talent...

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

Clint is probably a better fit in CO than he was with RSL...

Yea, he and Kirovski are going to terrorize with their change of pace...slow and slower.

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

he'll be absent for a good portion of the season with the USMNT squad.

Not if Eddie Johnson is fit.

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

...the absence of Mathis in the midfield certainly doesn't solve any of our problems there. Andy failed on multiple occasions to show any better than Cleetus at A-mid.

Addition through subtraction. The HUGE problem was that neither of those 2 are effective strikers...so you had to play both in the mid. Nightmare both offensively (too similar) and defensively (obvious).

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

Certainly he's a more cost-effective solution for us, which helps our salary crisis issues, but not necessarily an improvement from a talent perspective (or consistent hustle for that matter).

You must be kidding...we just picked up one of the fastest players in the league who is a magician with the ball...to play on turf...and got rid of a player who was either a non-factor or a cancer, depending on his mood, who never recovered from 2 knee surgeries...

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

One thing is certain though, with Cleetus gone, we're likely to see RSL play a very different style next year.

Thank goodness!!! Hey, we agreed on something!

JasonMa · 12-12-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fuegote

Jason, as much as we've bantered......i really feel for you (you're team has lost it's mind....and we're reaping the benefits)

There are rumors floating around that Cannon and Mastroeni both may move to Europe in the January transfer window. That's Cunningham, Nkong, Mastroeni, Kotschau, and Cannon missing from our best 11 and all we've added is Cornell Glen and Mathis.

I'm predicting that the Under-a-Chivas make the playoffs, but the Rapids finish in 5th in front of FSL and still take the Rocky Mountain Cup!

OK, maybe not, but I got to have faith! :signrocko

montgjules · 12-12-2005, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonMa

There are rumors floating around that Cannon and Mastroeni both may move to Europe in the January transfer window. That's Cunningham, Nkong, Mastroeni, Kotschau, and Cannon missing from our best 11 and all we've added is Cornell Glen and Mathis.

I'm predicting that the Under-a-Chivas make the playoffs, but the Rapids finish in 5th in front of FSL and still take the Rocky Mountain Cup!

OK, maybe not, but I got to have faith! :signrocko

No reason for us to burst your bubble now. We'll let it get burst the slow, agonizing way that ours was burst last season. Cheers!

utah_heretic · 12-12-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadof3

Clint is a guy who just USED to have phenominal talent...

Yea, he and Kirovski are going to terrorize with their change of pace...slow and slower.

Clint was about the only midfielder we had last year who wasn't constantly disposessed in the midfield...

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Originally Posted by Dadof3

Not if Eddie Johnson is fit.

which he hasn't been for a long time, is still rehabbing the toe...it'll take a full recovery and a lot of work to get Eddie back in form after this year...Cunningham on the other hand has shown well when he's played with the USMNT this year...is it certain he'll be in Germany, no, but I'd give him far better odds than I'd give Freddy Adu.

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Originally Posted by Dadof3

Addition through subtraction. The HUGE problem was that neither of those 2 are effective strikers...so you had to play both in the mid. Nightmare both offensively (too similar) and defensively (obvious).

The Huge proble is that when we played Cleetus up front briefly, we couldn't get the ball past the midfield. We tried 3 players at A-mid instead of Cleetus this year...Jason, Kamler, Williams...all 3 with fairly dismal results. Williams did the best job at replacing Cleetus, though he was far from an improvement.

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Originally Posted by Dadof3

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Originally Posted by utah_heretic

Certainly he's a more cost-effective solution for us, which helps our salary crisis issues, but not necessarily an improvement from a talent perspective (or consistent hustle for that matter).

You must be kidding...we just picked up one of the fastest players in the league who is a magician with the ball...to play on turf...and got rid of a player who was either a non-factor or a cancer, depending on his mood, who never recovered from 2 knee surgeries...

This quote refers to Andy as being a more cost-effective A-mid than Cleetus...not that Cunningham is a more cost-effective solution than Clint...did I misplace a modifier? I think the criticism is valid...was Clint enough better at A-mid than Andy to warrant the extra $300K? NO, but he was certainly better.
Is Cunningham a good pick-up? YES...I believe I said so...Does getting rid of Cleetus solve any of our midfield problems? NO!

Clearly having a dangerous striker is a GREAT thing...Is this a good trade? I don't know, for where RSL is...yes. Though it would have been nice to have enough talent to be able to effectively utilize Clint.

Rover · 12-12-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRogueOne

Are you high? I would take a hot cold Cunningham any day of the week over a consummate locker room cancer like Mathis. No offense Cletus, but I am glad to be rid of you and you yelling at your team for not putting effort on the field while you are walking around. Then again, hypocrisy does fit in around this state. Provo, I'm looking at you.

Did you not read the first line of my post? I'm glad Mathis is gone too. But I've also followed Cunningham's career and there's a reason he's been traded twice in a couple of years. I'm confident that I know what I'm talking about.

If this was the only way to get Mathis off our team, then it was a good trade. But I have no illusions about what Cunningham will bring to the team. Hopefully, he can bring the same intensity to us that he showed at Colorado, but, then, he was really auditioning for Germany. We'll see if last year was for real or just a one year blip.

rslfutbolfan · 12-12-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ReAl's Gal

I am sad. All the players I was really attatched to are gone (I know, I know, MLS is not T-ball) I get why he was traded, but damnit, I liked his fire. After losing all these boys, we should have gotten more than a coffee table book for renewing our tickets. Like a "sorry your boyfriends were traded, have a massage on us" kind of thing. Boo boo boo! 😇

I agree with you Reals Gal....in fact...I wrote a blog Sunday afternoon in regards to my feelings about all this. I know you have read it, but if anyone else is interested here is the link. Ch Ch Ch Changes at RSL

praxis · 12-12-2005, 08:40 PM

"Are you high? I would take a hot cold Cunningham any day of the week over a consummate locker room cancer like Mathis. No offense Cletus, but I am glad to be rid of you and you yelling at your team for not putting effort on the field while you are walking around."

I agree. Clint always looked like the guy who tried to eat the 6 pound steak so he could eat for free about the the time he had eaten 4 pounds. And then you have to finish off the gristle. He worked his mouth a lot though. He only really showed effort once the national team started watching him, about the time of the away game in colorado. Good riddance to bad rubbish.