July 11, 2006 County Council Meeting

Burninator · 07-12-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Luis Luviano

The Real Stadium development would not create 3500 new jobs. For the most part, it would take jobs from South Towne Mall, Cottonwood Mall, those hotels by the 215 and other commercial developments.

Visits by the Riot Squad by themselves will cause a huge increase in our beer tax revenues. Skiiers would spend some money there during the winter. And presumably, we'd see various US national teams (men's, women's, youth). But 3500 jobs is a stretch.

I don't think that we'd ever see an MLS Cup (it has to be on a Sunday) and I think that the NCAA soccer championships play on Sundays.

Taxpayer spending on sports facilities; even those that are part of a larger commercial development; do not automatically create jobs.

No, the stadium alone wouldn't, but the whole development would. The stadium in and of itself would do very little in terms of job creation. The commercial real estate development would be a VERY different story, however.

Jose Luis Luviano · 07-12-2006, 09:00 AM

Any Arsenal fans here?

West Valley City spends their tax money on some stupid things (like subsidies for newspapers) but I don't think they spent anything on this.

When I drove by today, there were some guys hard at work putting in some infrastructure. They did not appear to be WVC employees. But maybe WVC is paying them. I'd be interested to find out.

But, at least at first glance; some private investors appear to be paying for their own infrastructure.

rabble-rabble · 07-12-2006, 09:01 AM

Just curious. Does anyone know the political party affiliations of the members of the council? I'm fairly certain that Jenny is a democrat like her father and that county mayor Caroon is also democrat. Wondering if the voting yesterday possibly followed party lines somewhat.

Last year I felt that the conservative state legislature blocking Salt Lake from using RDA funds was largely due to Rocky's liberalism. Wondering if a conservative Sandy City was blocked in a simlar fashion in this case.

(Don't you just love politics!)

Burninator · 07-12-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Luis Luviano

Any Arsenal fans here?

West Valley City spends their tax money on some stupid things (like subsidies for newspapers) but I don't think they spent anything on this.

When I drove by today, there were some guys hard at work putting in some infrastructure. They did not appear to be WVC employees. But maybe WVC is paying them. I'd be interested to find out.

But, at least at first glance; some private investors appear to be paying for their own infrastructure.

Sure, a small company here and there will pay for their own infrastructure, but you'd never see a Micron or Microsoft pay for it. There is too much competition for those companies and cities compete by offering incentives. Real Salt Lake, although not Microsoft, seems to be a fairly hot commodity if you listen to some...

Burninator · 07-12-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Luis Luviano

But, at least at first glance; some private investors appear to be paying for their own infrastructure.

Yeah, and I bet they would charge the local high school to use their buildings, something I don't think Real was planning on doing. The whole idea of the public-private partnership is that the public helps build the infrastructure and later has certain benefits in regards to the stadium: you could hold high school sports, graduations, and other events there, and if the public paid for the infrastrucutre, they have a right to free events at the stadium.

Stucki · 07-12-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rabble-rabble

Just curious. Does anyone know the political party affiliations of the members of the council? I'm fairly certain that Jenny is a democrat like her father and that county mayor Caroon is also democrat. Wondering if the voting yesterday possibly followed party lines somewhat.

Last year I felt that the conservative state legislature blocking Salt Lake from using RDA funds was largely due to Rocky's liberalism. Wondering if a conservative Sandy City was blocked in a simlar fashion in this case.

(Don't you just love politics!)

Party lines had nothing to do with it.

Democrats: Hatch for, Bradley against, Horiuchi for, Wilson against
Republicans: Ashton for, Jensen for, Wilde against, Crockett against, Hendrickson against

fuegote · 07-12-2006, 10:47 AM

How I see the party lines...

Smart: Aston: for, Jensen: for, Hatch: for, Horiuchi: for
Stupid *******: Bradly: nay, Wilson: nay, Wilde: nay, Crockett: nay, Hendrickson: nay.

Aerick · 07-12-2006, 11:07 AM

I agree with Burninator, when looking at all the facts of this project, the vote is baffling.

Also, I believe that the private funding Dave lined up for the stadium may have tied into the other development, therefore it's likely that without the extra 400 million in development that the 100 million for the stadium wouldn't have materialized.

the Bardguy · 07-12-2006, 03:37 PM

Dave Checketts on the Doug Wright show today:

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There have been (I never would have predicted this) but there have been some people working against it and behind the scenes. And the number one guy working against the soccer stadium has been Larry Miller.

http://real.ksl.com/audio/2006_07_12_doug2.mp3 about 2/3 the way through.

I_Believe_In_Kreis · 07-12-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave

There have been (I never would have predicted this) but there have been some people working against it and behind the scenes. And the number one guy working against the soccer stadium has been Larry Miller.

Larry Miller = Microsoft
Dave Checketts = Netscape

Nothing like intimidating/maneuvering/bribing away the competition. Anti-trust lawsuit anyone?